Lecturer and training organization requirements for training acc. to ASNT SNT-TC-1A

Dear gentlemen,

our organization is working for years on the market of NDT personnel qualification and we are regularly struggling with explanation of employer qualification systems, e.g. SNT-TC-1A.

I open this topic to get a clear YES/NO answer (with possible small explanation) to the following two questions, that we can't explain to the customers, because the competition  often say otherwise. Please consider only the raw SNT-TC-1A requirements (of course the Written Practice may adjust many things to make it more strict, but lets forget this option for this moment).

1) The lecturer performing a training acc. to ASNT Recommended Practice SNT-TC-1A must have the ASNT Level 3 certificate?

2) The outside agency performing a training acc. to ASNT Recommended Practice SNT-TC-1A for an employer must be approved by ASNT?

Note: The questions are arragned this way on purpose to make a strong answer.

Answer from an ASNT representative would be appreciated.

Thank you very much

Zbynek Zavadil, Czech Republic

8 Replies

  • 1) No! There are no ASNT documents that require those conducting training to SNT-TC-1A to have an ASNT Level III certificate. 2) No! There are no ASNT documents that require outside agencies performing training to SNT-TC-1A to be approved by ASNT. Unfortunately this is not the first time this type of false information has been disseminated. The industry needs to be accurately informed so NDT personnel qualification and certification can be the best it can be. False or misleading information, for what ever the reason, only confuses ASNT's and the NDT communities objective to deliver high performance tests, inspections and examinations. Best regards, Michael L. Turnbow ASNT Past President ASNT Past Board Member ASNT Past Certification Management Council Chairman ASNT Certified Level III Past US Delegate to ISO NDT Standards Development Past Electric Power Research Institute NDE Steering Committee Chairman Current Chairman, ASME NDE Personnel Qualification and Certification Project (ANDE)
  • Hello. It also depends on your customer's requirements and / or your own written practice. At times, customer's may have requirements for who performs the training. However, as was stated in the previous reply, ASNT approval is not something that is out there.
  • Hi Refer SNT-TC-1A, you can modify the requirements according to your need. Same apply for NDT trainer and the outside engaged agency, it doesnt mention that outside agency shall be certified by the ASNT. However CP-189 clearly define the requirements for the trainer. Hope it will help you.
  • In reply to Michael Turnbow:

    Am I correct in saying that under SNT-TC-1A it is basically up to the employer to decide what amount of training and experience they choose to accept as qualifying their NDT personnel to the level(s) they are certified to?
  • In reply to Justin Mixon:

    Justin, while you are technically correct, you need to consider what that means. the employer is responsible for authorising his technicians to carry out work on the companies behalf. SNT-TC-1A gives a framework of how to do this and recommends minimum values, this is a tried and tested formula that has been accepted by major clients and the likes of ASME. When something goes wrong, will the employer want to be sitting there saying to the judge they knew better (There are of course specific circumstances where they will know better) or will they want the comfort of knowing they applied an Industry standard. End users and major clients are wising up to the fact that they will be held responsible for incidents and accidents caused by their sub-contractors and suppliers, due t this they are auditing their supply chain more (And about time too in many cases) the Auditors want something to audit against, does the employer want to have to justify every clause in his WP in every audit and possibly lose work because of it, probably not. In my opinion the employer who chooses for their own reasons to deviate from the recommendations of SNT-TC-1A is not the danger as this is easy to see by going through the WP. More of a danger is the employer who has a fully compliant WP but uses it as a paper generating exercise without following the intent of the document which is to ensure that the technician is competent to do the job. This is far harder to find in audit but may be easier to find in the outside world by following the smoke and flames.
  • In reply to Jason Taylor:

    Jason, the problem I'm running into is acquiring hours of actually using the equipment. I have a very limited range of necessary knowledge to do the testing that our customers require and it is occasionally a month between jobs that require it. I'm diligently recording every minute I'm on the machine. Since I finished the classroom section of the training I've become a lot more efficient with the process and shaved a lot of time off the calibration and reporting aspects. That is a little defeating to the goal of acquiring hours. I don't want the responsibility if I can't exceed the requirements of the position. It seems like to me there should be a legitimate method of gaining the necessary competence through additional classroom instruction that is ordained by ASNT. It'd definitely make my life easier. An ACCP UT II D1.1 specific certification would be nice. I was exposed to all the general UT information during the classroom portion and it hasn't came up since. Structural Steel is all I do and it is the only thing I have written procedures for anyway. Aren't all those required hours for UT across multiple applications? What's actually happening in all the cases I'm personally aware of is that the WPs are being written to exclude the hours in the process anyway and the customers either don't care or they don't know to ask to see the written practice.
  • In reply to Justin Mixon:

    Justin its always tough to get those first set of hours of experience. There is nothing stopping your employer defining and issuing a cert restricted to D1.1 but don't run down structural steel inspecting. Your structural steel work joints could be plate to plate, pipe to pipe, transition thicknesses (Ohh the mode conversion right there) T pieces, node welds Tubular to tubular at skewed angles. Often defects are present that skirt the boarder of acceptability a the welders have a good idea what they can get way with, so your sizing and depth has to be spot on. Plus those structural lads will bodge things to make them fit (There goes the prep edge) and at the end of the day it may all be holding up something critical. Is there a local NDT sho p where you could spend some time with an experienced hand, just pushing a probe to get your hours up?
  • In reply to Jason Taylor:

    No sir, unfortunately there isn't right now. I'm getting additional training hours in the meantime.